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    >>> we are back at 8:10 now with a touching story of forgiveness. "today" national correspondent natalie morales is here with the details of one mother's emotional dilemma. natalie, good morning.

    >> good morning, matt. victoria rosner was happily married to her husband, douglas . they started a life together, but little did victoria know, her life was about to be turned upside down.

    >> douglas and i met in school. we married about three years later and we had a really intimate marriage. and then when we were ready to start having children, we started seeing a fertility doctor, and at that point, i conceived right away.

    >> reporter: but during victoria 's pregnancy, their relationship started to change.

    >> douglas went through what i could only describe as an almost overnight total change in personality.

    >> reporter: then douglas moved out.

    >> i just basically wept through the entire pregnancy. i was so hormonal, i was so scared. i didn't know what was going to happen next. in my seventh month, douglas served me with divorce papers.

    >> reporter: with her marriage ending, victoria had one happy moment. she gave birth to a baby boy , judah .

    >> he's very upbeat, always smiling, very loving, just kind of a miracle, i think, that he emerged from this chaotic scenario.

    >> reporter: victoria moved back to new york with judah and began her new life with very little contact with her ex-husband, douglas , who had given up custody of his son. but two years later, she got a call with devastating news. douglas had cancer and had less than a year to live, and he had one request.

    >> he called me and said that he had always planned to spend more time with judah and get to know judah , and now he was afraid he wasn't going to have that time, and he wanted to get much, much more involved in judah 's life. i was just really in a state of shock and i almost couldn't accept what was happening. i felt very torn. i felt enormous pity for douglas . i also felt some anger that he had walked out on me when i was in a very vulnerable position. and now that he had needs, he was turning around and trying to walk back.

    >> reporter: but in the end, victoria brought douglas and his son judah together.

    >> they just would play games and roll around together, and they would read books, and i just, you know, they really -- they hit it off right away.

    >> reporter: then douglas ' health took a turn for the worst. he went into a coma. soon after, douglas passed away .

    >> i hope i made the right decision in letting him have that relationship with his father and taking the loss that came with that. and i hope he takes away the idea that he had a father and his father loved him.

    >> and before douglas died, he told victoria that judah was the most incredible child that has ever lived. matt?

    >> all right, natalie, thank you very much. victoria rosner is with us this morning. she recently wrote about her story for "the new york times" " modern love " column. dr. argie allen is from drexel university . ladies, good morning to both of you.

    >> good morning.

    >> good morning.

    >> this is a tough decision. you've got anger, betrayal, all kinds of emotions on this side. you've got human compassion on this side. just walk me through how you came up with the decision you made.

    >> well, matt, from the first, i was so aware that i was making this decision on behalf of judah , on behalf of my son, because he wasn't old enough to make it for himself. so, i talked to a lot of people, and some of them said, oh, my god, how could you let him come back after what he did? you know, keep him away. and some said, look, it's his last wish, how do you say no to that? but in the end, what influenced me most was talking to people who had lost parents at an early age.

    >> so, basically, what you're saying is this was as much about, even more about needing your child to c connect to a father than it was about needing to release this anger from yourself and allow forgiveness.

    >> well, i just really thought about what i would say to judah when he grew up, and you know, would i say to him, no, i didn't let you have a relationship with your father? i knew that that was something that he would want. and so, i was happy i could give it to him.

    >> and during the process of allowing this relationship between judah and your ex-husband, did you come to your own personal forgiveness?

    >> i think it's complicated. i was very angry, but i also felt enormous compassion, and i was happy that in this incredibly tragic situation, i was able to do something to make it better.

    >> argie, what victoria is teaching us is that forgiveness doesn't have to be black or white . there can be shades of gray in forgiveness.

    >> absolutely. it's not black or white . it's a family affair , and it requires that you do your due diligence to take time to think about all the kplexts, as victoria said, that is required to ultimately give the greatest gift, and she gave a wonderful gift to her son and to the son's father.

    >> you know, a lot of people talk about forgiveness, they talk a good game, but very few people can actually deliver on their words. and so, why don't we talk a little bit about what forgiveness does not for the person that you're forgiving, but for you. i mean, isn't it -- it has to be, in some cases, a very liberating experience.

    >> it's very. and i always say that it's not forgetting, it's liberating. and so, it doesn't always mean reconciliation. what it means is that you have the ability to release all those toxic emotions and go on to live your best life . so, it's the greatest gift that you can give to yourself if you've ever experienced forgiveness.

    >> having gone through this, victoria , does it make you now feel as if you have put that episode behind you? closure is a weird word. we overuse it. but did it present a little bit of closure to you?

    >> i think it gave me the opportunity to move on in a certain way, because it was this next chapter in what had happened. i think that something like this never really ends. it just, it goes on and takes different directions. and now, thankfully, i have judah , who's the continuation of it and who is such a joy.

    >> and you say at the end of the piece, "i hope i made the right decision for judah ." at this stage, do you think you made the right decision?

    >> well, you know, i do hope so.

    >> because judah has to deal with loss, had to deal with loss.

    >> right, right. judah , i think, is much more aware of death than, you know, another 4-year-old would be. he talks about it with me, which i think is great and important, but he's afraid of it sometimes. he'll say things like, "mommy, i want us to die together," you know? and i say, let's not worry about that right now.

    >> but the lesson in this, argie, for others might be what?

    >> ultimately that forgiveness can be the greatest gift that you can give to yourself and your family, and it requires support and a lot of work.

    >> argie, thanks very much. victoria , thank you. we appreciate you sharing your story with us.

    >> thank you.

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updated 6/19/2009 11:02:03 AM ET 2009-06-19T15:02:03

Victoria Rosner’s husband walked out on her when she was seven months pregnant, and when he filed for divorce, he didn’t even ask for joint custody of their son, Judah. So when he called two years later to say he had cancer and wanted to spend time with Judah, Rosner had a momentous decision to make: whether to forgive him and grant his wish — or tell him to forget it.

“I was very angry. But I also felt enormous compassion,” Rosner told TODAY’s Matt Lauer Tuesday in New York.

Many people talk about forgiveness, but often it’s an abstract concept. This was concrete and immediate: a man asking to be forgiven for the deeply personal and emotionally devastating act of abandoning his wife when she needed him most.

Difficult dilemma
It was not an easy decision, Rosner said. Ultimately, she would write an article for The New York Times about it.

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“I talked to a lot of people. Some of them said, ‘Oh, my God, how could you let him come back after what he did?’ Some said, ‘It’s his last wish. How can you keep him away from that?’ ” she told Lauer. “In the end, what influenced me most was talking to people who had lost parents at an early age.”

Rosner decided to let her ex-husband, Douglas, back into her son’s life — which meant allowing him into her life, too.

“From the first, I was so aware that I was making this decision on behalf of Judah, on behalf of my son, because he wasn’t old enough to make it for himself,” Rosner said. “I just really thought about what I would say to Judah when he grew up. Would I say to him, ‘No, I didn’t let you have a relationship with your father?’ I knew that was something that he would want. And so I was happy I could give it to him.”

Changed overnight
Victoria and Douglas had met while both were graduate students in Texas. He was 10 years older than she, but they got married after a three-year courtship and both became college professors.

After 10 years of marriage, it was Douglas who suggested they attempt to have a child. When Victoria had difficulties becoming pregnant, he led the way to a fertility clinic, and Victoria became pregnant.

But once she was pregnant, Douglas changed.

“Douglas went through what I can only describe as an almost overnight total change in personality,” Rosner said. When she was seven months pregnant, he served her with divorce papers. It was devastating to her.

“I was so scared. I didn’t know what was going to happen next,” she said.

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Victoria Rosner with her son, Judah. Her ex-husband left her while she was pregnant with the boy.
In Texas, it is illegal to divorce a pregnant woman, so the marriage wasn’t dissolved until after Judah was born. Douglas was present for the birth and saw his son a couple of more times, but he did not object when Victoria moved to New York and took a job as a professor of literature at Columbia University.

Out of the blue
Judah turned out to be a wonderful son, upbeat and happy and a joy to his mother, who had taken up the life of a single, working mom. And then, when he was 2, Douglas called out of the blue.

He had bone cancer, he said, and he didn’t know if he would survive. He had planned to have a relationship with Judah when the boy got older, he said, but there might not be time for that. Could he do it now?

That’s when Victoria had to face the anger and hurt she felt and decide whether to forgive him or not. And in deciding that it was about her son and not her, she had to decide what it might mean to a toddler to get to know his father — only to have that man die.

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Dr. Argie Allen (left), an expert in family and couple therapy, joined Victoria Rosner on TODAY.
Dr. Argie Allen is an expert in family and couple therapy at Drexel University who specializes in forgiveness. She joined Rosner and Lauer to talk about the process.

“It doesn’t always mean reconciliation,” Allen said. “What it means is that you have ability to release all those toxic emotions and go on to live your best life. It’s the greatest gift you can give yourself if you’ve ever experienced forgiveness. She gave the greatest gift to her son and her son’s father.”

Douglas and Judah quickly bonded. “They would play games and roll around together. They would read books. They hit it off together right away,” Victoria said.

The right decision?
But Douglas’ chemotherapy failed to knock out the cancer. After 10 months, Douglas called to say he wasn’t going to make it. Victoria went to Texas to be at his side when he died a year ago next week.

Judah was devastated to learn that the father he had only just come to know had died and would not return.

“I hope I made the right decision,” she said. “I hope he takes away the idea that he had a father and his father loved him.”

Victoria also said that forgiving Douglas isn’t an act so much as a process.

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Judah’s dying father was able to spend time with the boy, thanks to Victoria Rosner’s forgiveness.

“I think it gave me the opportunity to move on in a certain way. I think something like this never really ends. It goes on and takes different directions. Thankfully I have Judah, who’s a continuation of it and who’s such a joy,” she said.

Judah is now 4 and, Rosner said, more preoccupied with death than most children his age.

“He talks about it with me, which is great and important, but he’s afraid of it at the same time,” Rosner said. “He’ll say things like, ‘Mommy, I want us to die together,’ and I say, ‘Let’s not worry about that right now.’ ”

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