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    Mr. RYAN O'NEAL: I think that she may have believed that she would survive and have a document, film document. That's not how it's going. She's had a terrible time the last year. Terrible time.

    MEREDITH VIEIRA, co-host: Seven-thirty now on this Wednesday morning, May 13th , 2009 . And that is Ryan O'Neal explaining why his longtime partner Farrah Fawcett decided to videotape her struggle with cancer. Inside Studio 1A , I'm Meredith Vieira along with Matt Lauer . And Matt , as you know, at this point things are not looking very good for Farrah Fawcett , but she is a real fighter and committed to telling her story no matter what happens.

    MATT LAUER, co-host: Yeah. And it's apparently a story she's going to tell and show, warts and all, as we've just seen from some of that footage.

    VIEIRA: Absolutely.

    MEREDITH VIEIRA, co-host: And we all know Farrah . For a generation she defines a time in American pop culture, that famous red swimsuit poster, the Farrah hair, "Charlie's Angel," but she went on to prove that she was a serious actress with critically acclaimed performances. And all the while she tried to keep her private life private. But her decades-long relationship with actor Ryan O'Neal and her son Redmond 's drug arrests have made her fodder for the tabloids, as has her three-year-long battle with cancer. but in a film that can only be described as extraordinarily personal and brutally honest, Farrah has laid bare every aspect of her fight. It is called " Farrah 's Story" and it airs here on NBC on Friday night. I sat down with Ryan O'Neal to talk about the documentary and the past few weeks in Farrah 's life.

    Ms. FARRAH FAWCETT: And so my journey began on September 22nd , 2006 .

    VIEIRA: It started out simply, a cancer patient videotaping a doctor's appointment so she wouldn't forget what was said, as if you could forget such news.

    Unidentified Doctor #1: Cancer can always come back.

    Ms. FAWCETT: Such a shockingly sad day.

    VIEIRA: The film captures Farrah 's highs and lows.

    Ms. FAWCETT: I wish it would just be over.

    VIEIRA: Laying bear the brutal reality of the disease.

    Mr. RYAN O'NEAL: I think that she may have believed that she would survive and have a document, film document.

    Unidentified Doctor #2: I'm sorry to give you some not great news.

    Mr. O'NEAL: That's not how it's going. She's had a terrible time the last year. Terrible time. There were times when she got terribly ill and began to vomit. But she didn't care. She didn't care. She was possessed, you know? She's been on film all her life, I guess, since she was 19 or 20. So no big deal .

    VIEIRA: After a series of treatments in Germany , Farrah seemed on the road to recovery .

    Ms. FAWCETT: Yes!

    VIEIRA: So you were optimistic at that point.

    Mr. O'NEAL: Very. Very. It was yeah, yes! And she was so happy. It's insidious, cancer. It lets you think you're ahead.

    VIEIRA: And at times she did think that, obviously.

    Mr. O'NEAL: Many times, actually.

    VIEIRA: Many times.

    Mr. O'NEAL: For a couple of years. And she was athletic and healthy and hungry and beautiful. Everything that you remember about her.

    VIEIRA: Ryan remembers when he first noticed something was not right with Farrah .

    Mr. O'NEAL: The first time I ever noticed I walked with her and Redmond on the beach one day. We used to take that walk all the time to the rocks and back. And halfway there she stopped and said, `Can we go back?' And Red and I looked at each other and we knew that -- see, she could fool you because she always looked good. She looked really good. And he used to say to me, `She'll be all right, look how nice she looks.'

    VIEIRA: When was that that you took the walk and you knew that she wasn't doing well?

    Mr. O'NEAL: Well, it must have been a time when he wasn't in jail.

    VIEIRA: Hm.

    Mr. O'NEAL: So it was about five or six months ago.

    VIEIRA: The way you just put that, a time he wasn't in jail.

    Mr. O'NEAL: Well, he's in jail so much. And...

    VIEIRA: Well, there is a -- there is a scene in this film.

    Mr. O'NEAL: Yeah.

    VIEIRA: Since you bring it up...

    Mr. O'NEAL: Well, because her doctor wrote to the judge and said that if he doesn't get a chance to see her now, he may not get a chance to see her. And the judge was kind and allowed him a three-hour visit.

    VIEIRA: That was just a few weeks ago, Ryan , and the image of him in her home, he's in chains, he's shackled.

    Mr. O'NEAL: Legs, restraints, everything, like he was John Dillinger . Little Redmond Dillinger . And then they unfastened him and let him go back and see his mother who's in bed. When he went in to her, I said, `Don't rattle your chains.' Because he had them on his legs.

    VIEIRA: Right. So that she wouldn't know.

    Mr. O'NEAL: She doesn't know.

    VIEIRA: So at this...

    Mr. O'NEAL: She just holds him. He shaved -- when she lost her hair, he shaved his head so the two of them would be this -- I didn't know which one was which, they were lying together. He just wanted to see her, wanted to hold her, wanted to apologize.

    VIEIRA: Apologize?

    Mr. O'NEAL: Apologize. Yeah.

    VIEIRA: Why?

    Mr. O'NEAL: He's so full of shame for his mistakes. She forgives him.

    VIEIRA: You said something to him on film after he was lying there with Farrah . You said to him it would be a good reason to organize your life as a tribute to her. What did you mean when you said that?

    Mr. O'NEAL: Well, it's been very disorganized up till now. He can't make heads or tails of who he is or what he's doing here, and heroin helped him, I guess, it's a horrible thing, not to think about it . And he couldn't shake it. He just couldn't shake it. And so it's going to get shaken for him. He has a long ride ahead of him before they'll let him free. And I don't think his mother will be here when he gets out. So I said to him, live your life as a tribute to your mother.

    Ms. FAWCETT: Where's my Ryan ? My daddy?

    VIEIRA: So much has been written about your relationship with Farrah , the 17-year love affair , albeit sometime tumultuous.

    Mr. O'NEAL: Not that bad. Not so bad.

    VIEIRA: How would you describe the relationship that the two of you have?

    Mr. O'NEAL: I know this. That in the last two years I love her more than I've ever loved her. Ever.

    Ms. FAWCETT: You can't get rid of me .

    Mr. O'NEAL: She's so much more of a woman and a powerful, courageous, fearless. And I look at her with awe.

    VIEIRA: Is she stronger than you would have even imagined?

    Mr. O'NEAL: Yeah. And she's not afraid, either. I never saw fear at all. She asked me once, `Am I going to make it?' She asked me that a couple of weeks ago.

    VIEIRA: What did you say?

    Mr. O'NEAL: I said, yeah, sure, you'll make it. And if you don't, I'll go with you. Then she said, `Then stop the Gleevec .' And the Gleevec 's the medicine I take for my leukemia. So she made a joke. `Stop the Gleevec .'

    VIEIRA: And everybody calls you the rock.

    Mr. O'NEAL: Oh, I'm not.

    VIEIRA: I get the feeling maybe she's the rock.

    Mr. O'NEAL: She's the rock.

    Ms. FAWCETT: OK.

    Mr. O'NEAL: She taught us all how to cope. She's extraordinary. I don't know what I'll do without her.

    VIEIRA: And when Ryan O'Neal was diagnosed with leukemia in 2001 she came to his side to be with him. And then in 2006 , she had that news that she had cancer and he's been with her ever since. What you don't see in that interview is his sense of humor .

    AL ROKER reporting: Mm-hmm.

    VIEIRA: All of her friends have said he is the only one, even in this time, that can make her laugh. And he can. You'll see that in the documentary.

    ROKER: Wow.

    MATT LAUER, co-host: It's extraordinarily personal stuff.

    ROKER: Yeah.

    VIEIRA: yeah.

    LAUER: And you listen to the way he speaks and speaks as if it is a foregone conclusion.

    ROKER: Yeah.

    VIEIRA: Yeah.

    ROKER: In the past tense .

    LAUER: That -- exactly, but that's...

    VIEIRA: I think he feels that. I think her friend Alana Stewart , who you'll listen to tomorrow, who shot most of the documentary, she just sort of handed the camera to Alana and said, `Please document this for me.' She is a firm believer in miracles. Firm believer. And she believes that Farrah is going to make it, so.

    LAUER: It's just an amazing interview.

    ROKER: Yeah.

    VIEIRA: Thank you so much . As I mentioned, Alana , who shot much of the documentary, will be on our piece tomorrow. And then "Farrah's Story" airs Friday night at 9, 8 Central right here and that is only on NBC .

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updated 5/14/2009 8:58:06 AM ET 2009-05-14T12:58:06

With Farrah Fawcett drained physically and mentally from a long battle with cancer that may be nearing its tragic end, the love of her life, actor Ryan O’Neal, said that his feelings for her have only deepened. “In the last two years, I loved her more than I’ve ever loved her — ever,” he said in an exclusive interview with Meredith Vieira airing on TODAY Wednesday and Thursday.

The 69-year-old actor also believes that her brave struggle will inspire their troubled son, Redmond, to turn his life around. He shared dramatic details of how Redmond had to face the indignity of making a bedside visit to his mother in prison shackles. “Don’t rattle your chains,” he said before Redmond made his April 25, court-supervised visit to the bedside of his mother, who was mercifully unaware that he had been arrested again.

With Redmond given the brief leave from his jail cell after a third drug arrest in as many years, O’Neal told Vieira the moving words of advice he gave his son. “I don’t think his mother will be here when he gets out,” O’Neal told Vieira. “So I said to him, ‘Live your life as a tribute to your mother.’ ”

The dramatic story of Farrah Fawcett, 1970s pin-up icon turned honored actress, is a focal point on NBC this week – in addition to the O’Neal interview on TODAY, the network airs “Farrah’s Story,” a video diary of Fawcett’s journey through treatments she’s undertaken to battle her cancer, on Friday at 9 p.m. ET.

Visit in chains
No less dramatic is the story of 25-year-old Redmond, whose life has spiraled downward since his mother was first diagnosed with cancer in October 2006. He was arrested in 2007 for heroin and methamphetamine possession and driving under the influence. While still on probation, Redmond was arrested, along with his father, for methamphetamine possession during a probation check at his home in 2008. And on April 5 of this year, he was arrested again for possession of a controlled substance.

“He’s in jail so much,” O’Neal told Vieira blankly during their interview. “Poor jerk — that’s almost ridiculous. He can’t make heads or tails of who he is or what he’s doing here. And heroin helped him — yes, it’s a horrible thing — not to think about it. And he couldn’t shake it, just couldn’t shake it. And so, it’s going to get shaken for him. He has a long ride ahead of him before they’ll set him free.”

While Redmond O’Neal recently avoided a long prison stint by being admitted into a court-mandated drug program that could see his slate wiped clean if he successfully completes it, O’Neal told Vieira he hopes the image of visiting his dying mother while wrapped in chains will stick with him forever.

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“In the last two years, I loved her more than I’ve ever loved her – ever,” Ryan O' Neal said of his longtime friend and lover Farrah Fawcett, shown here together in 2004.

While a judge allowed Redmond to leave jail to see Fawcett, O’Neal said he was forced to be in leg restraints, “Just like he was John Dillinger — little Redmond Dillinger. And then they unfastened him and let him go back and see his mother, who was in bed.”

In describing the emotional reunion between Farrah and Redmond, O’Neal told Vieiera how much the visit meant to mother and son alike. 

“A sheriff stood at the door the whole time and watched — I don’t know what they thought he’d do. He just wanted to see her, wanted to hold her, wanted to apologize,” O’Neal said.

“He’s so full of shame for his mistakes — she forgives him.”

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When Fawcett lost her famous cascade of blonde curls to her cancer, Redmond likewise shaved his head in a show of solidarity with his mother. O’Neal recalled as Fawcett held Redmond, “I didn’t know which was which … it’s getting sad now.”

Dashed hopes
There had been times when the whole family believed Farrah’s fight for survival was going to produce a happy ending. Just four months after she was originally diagnosed with anal cancer, her doctors told her she was cancer-free. But the disease returned a few months later, spreading to her liver, and eventually, other parts of her body.

“Of all the things I've ever hoped for in my life, finding a doctor to surgically remove my anal cancer did not even make the top one million on my list,” Fawcett comments in “Farrah’s Story.” “But now it was number one — number one as in primary cancer, meaning it was the first in and, for that reason, it needed to be the first out. Because it was this peanut-sized tumor that had sent its army of mutant cells into my liver. And it would continue to send reinforcements into any organ into my body unless someone did something to stop it.”

A series of trips to Germany, where Farrah received alternative treatments to battle the disease, gave her cause for hope. But O’Neal told Vieira that he and Redmond finally realized how dire Fawcett’s condition was during a family outing late last year.

Fawcett had looked so well most of the time it easy to push the harsh realities of her condition to the back of their minds. “She was very athletic and healthy and hungry and beautiful,” O’Neal told Vieira. “Everything was just as you remember about her. The first time I ever noticed, I walked with her and Redmond on the beach one day.

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“We used to take that walk all the time to the rocks and back. And halfway there she stopped and said, `Can we go back?’ And Red and I looked at each other and we knew that … see, she could fool you because she always looked good. She looked really good. And he [Redmond] used to say to me, ‘She’ll be all right. Look at how nice she looks.’ ”

Courage and humor
While O’Neal and Fawcett have had an often-tumultuous relationship, with several splits and reunions since their relationship began in 1982, O’Neal says the manner that Fawcett has conducted herself in her final days has been, for him, a profile in courage.

“She’s so much more of a woman and powerful, courageous, fearless, all those adjectives,” he said. “I look at her with awe.”

And while O’Neal said Fawcett “is not afraid” of losing her cancer battle, she did ask him recently, “Am I going to make it?”

“I said, ‘Sure, you’ll make it,’ ” O’Neal told Vieira. “And if you don’t, I’ll go with you. And she said, ‘Then stop the Gleevec — the medicine that I take for my leukemia.’ So she made a joke: ‘Stop the Gleevec.’ ”

Whle O’Neal has largely confirmed that Fawcett’s battle with cancer is near its end and she has stopped treatment, the actress been unflinching in wanting her video diary to be aired. The footage, mostly shot by her close friend Alana Stewart, chronicles her quest for treatments to stem the cancer, including six visits to Germany.

Despite her high-profile public persona, O’Neal told Vieira Fawcett is actually a private person and that agreeing to have NBC air her video documentary “caused her pause.” Still, viewers will see a no-holds-barred look at what Fawcett has gone through — at her own demand.

“There were times when she got terribly ill and began to vomit, and Alana would turn the camera away,” O’Neal said. “She’d say, `Put it back on, put it on.’ I wouldn’t want to be filmed doing that; she didn’t care. She was possessed, you know. She’s been on film all her life I guess.

Slideshow: Farrah Fawcett “I had a chance to look at some of the images from the documentary and they’re extremely powerful, but they’re also very, very intimate. And when I think of Farrah, I think of somebody who’s obviously, always been in the public eye, but also somebody who, I think, always cherished her privacy.”

In a statement, Fawcett has said she hopes the documentary will help others who may find themselves in her shoes.

“As much as I would have liked to have kept my cancer private, I now realize that I have a certain responsibility to those who are fighting their own fights and may be able to benefit from learning about mine,” she said.

And in “Farrah’s Story,” she comments: “Cancer is a disease that is mysterious, headstrong and makes its own rules.  And mine, to this date, is incurable.  I know that everyone will die eventually, but I do not want to die of this disease.  I want to stay alive. So I say to God, because it is, after all, in his hands.  It is seriously time for a miracle.”

“It’s clear from watching the video that she is somebody who believes strongly in God. She has great faith,” O’Neal observed. “She’s the rock; she taught us all how to cope.

“I don’t know what I’ll do without her, to tell you the truth.”

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