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David Goldman had toys and gifts for his son Sean when the two were reunited Christmas Eve after a five-year international custody battle. Goldman said that the years he and his son were apart left “a big scar, but now we’re together and we’ll heal.”
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updated 12/27/2009 1:24:30 PM ET 2009-12-27T18:24:30

In his only interview since his dramatic Christmas Eve reunion with the son for whom he has waged a five-year international custody battle, David Goldman revealed that Sean, 9, has yet to call him Dad. “But now we’re together and we'll heal,” Goldman said.

“He hasn’t really called me anything,” Goldman told TODAY’s Meredith Vieira in Orlando, Fla., where he and Sean were getting reacquainted after their long separation. “And I think he’s struggling with that. I said, ‘You can call me Dad.’ And he didn’t say anything.”

But Goldman feels certain that day will come. For now, it’s enough that the long nightmare that began when his Brazilian wife took Sean to Brazil in 2004 for what was to be a two-week vacation is over.

A Christmas miracle
The way it ended, with a Christmas Eve handover in downtown Rio de Janeiro, seemed to have something of the supernatural about it.

“It’s a miracle,” Goldman told Vieira. “There was 364 other days that [it] could’ve been, if he ever were going to come home. But it was Christmas Eve. Somebody’s up there for sure. That’s amazing.”

Vieira asked Goldman to describe Christmas Eve and Christmas, the first night and day the two have spent together in five years.

“Two beautiful nights,” is how Goldman described it. “There are no words to describe the pain and suffering these last five years. And there’s no words to describe how joyous and wonderful it is to be with my son again.”

Video: Why was Goldman case so difficult? On Christmas Eve, “We went to the room, obviously,” Goldman continued. “I ran a bath for him. So he jumped in the bath and, you know, cleaned himself up, and I picked out his pajamas or whatever he was going to wear that night and gave him his privacy, let him do his thing, a little man,” Goldman said.

They called room service for dinner. Sean’s order, the happy father said, was, “Chicken tenders, which he loved when he was here — before.”

On Christmas, Goldman, Sean and some of Sean’s American cousins spent their time in Orlando visiting Disney World and getting reacquainted. “He’s with his cousins, and they’re having fun, and he’s loved — very, very loved,” Goldman said.

Years of frustration
During the nine-hour flight home, Sean was sleepy from the dramatic, as well as chaotic, scene outside the U.S. Consulate in Rio de Janeiro early Thursday. His Brazilian stepfather and other relatives paraded Sean past the media to protest a Brazilian court order that Sean be returned to Goldman, his biological father.

When Sean was 4, his mother took him home to her native Brazil for a two-week vacation. But she never returned, divorcing Goldman and marrying a lawyer from a prominent and influential family. When she died last year during childbirth, her Brazilian husband moved to adopt Sean.

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In happier times: David Goldman with his son, Sean, and his late wife Bruna. The New Jersey father has waged a five-year battle to regain custody of his son from a family in Brazil.
The Brazilian family fought court rulings in the United States and international treaties upholding David Goldman’s custody rights as Sean’s father. It was not until Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and President Barack Obama took up his cause early this year that the case moved from local Brazilian courts to the nation’s federal courts.

After years of frustration and setbacks, Goldman had been saying that he would not know he had his son back until the wheels of the plane were up and they were on their way back to the United States.

Over the holiday weekend, he told Vieira that the realization came earlier than anticipated, at the end of the parade, when Sean’s Brazilian family brought him into the U.S. Embassy.

“I really, I really knew it then,” he said. “I knew it.”

Looking ahead, not back
Goldman told Vieira that he hopes Sean can put that ugly scene in Rio de Janeiro behind him.

“I hope he doesn’t have lifelong nightmares of that day,” Goldman said, recounting the agony of watching Sean crying as the cameras pressed close around him. “My heart has been breaking, and has been broken over and over, and over and over through this whole terrible ordeal. I’ll never understand them. I will never. I don’t think anybody who has rational logic and true love can ever grasp that spectacle that they created out there. For what? Why?”

Video: ‘Primal nurturing bond is there,’ Goldman says Despite his resentment of the way Sean’s Brazilian family behaved during the five years of legal battling, Goldman said he will allow Sean’s maternal grandmother, Silvana Bianchi, to continue to see him. He had an opportunity to tell her that in the embassy.

“She said to me, ‘Will you allow me to see him?’ And I looked at her and I said, ‘I will not do to you what you have done to me,’ ” Goldman said. “And then I said, ‘But now you need to tell him that you remember how good of a father that I was, how good of a father that I am, and how you know I will continue to be a good father.’ And I also gave her a hug. He needed to see that.”

David had last seen Sean in June in Brazil. Vieira asked what it was like to see him again, knowing that they would be returning home together.

“Well, he was very hot. And he was just saying, ‘I’m very hot,’ like talking to me like we’ve spoken for a very long time. He didn’t ever, ever once say, ‘I don’t want to go with you, I don’t want to be with you.’ He had no resistance at all. But at the same time, he was in a great deal of pain. I mean, what he had just experienced, it’s unfathomable.”

Goldman said he’s concerned because Sean did not resist the handover, nor did he cry. “It would be natural for him to be crying. It would be normal for him to be crying,” Goldman said. “There’s got to be pain. There’s got to be pain hidden in there. I know I have it. My mission, my focus is to be with him and to help him and to reestablish our father-and-son bond.”

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Making up for lost time
Sean has spent more than half of his life in Brazil. That’s a lot of time to make up for. “I missed five years, precious years, of my son’s life. That’s a big scar,” Goldman told Vieira. “But now we’re together. And we’ll heal. And we’ll enjoy and live and love and share and cry and laugh and learn as father and son.”

Video: Goldman: There was a great deal of pain Goldman cherishes memories of canoeing with Sean on the waterways behind his house. “I’ve been dreaming, if there’s one moment that I have of hopes and aspirations, is for us to just go for a paddle in our backyard. I long for that day. I’ll probably [be] crying,” the dad said with a chuckle. “He loved it so much. And that was just us in nature, right at home and it was so beautiful.”

Goldman lives in Tinton Falls, N.J. He said Sean was concerned about how much snow there was there and how cold it might be.

“He was saying, ‘I need to get boots. I need a winter coat,’ ” Goldman said. “He’s been envisioning it. He’s been imagining it. So, I was just responding and reacting as best I could to keep him calm, and to keep reassuring him that I love him ... I just wanted to, of course, pick him up like I do every single time I see him.”

Goldman says that he sees much of the 4-year-old he knew so well in the 9-year-old who came home with him.

“The old Sean was 4½. So the goofiness now would be to a 9-year-old’s goofy,” he said, “He was such a happy, sweet boy. I hope he still has some innocence left. I believe he does.”

Vieira asked Goldman what it will mean the first time Sean calls him “Dad.”

“It’ll mean the world when he says it,” Goldman replied. “It would mean we’ve come a long way.”

A special two-hour “Dateline” about the case will air on Friday, Jan. 8, 2010, starting at 8 p.m. ET.

 

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    >>> back now at 8:09 with much more of our exclusive interview with david goldman . we visited with him and his son, sean , as they spent their first weekend together in the u.s. after more than five years. and david goldman shared some personal thoughts about the journey that he calls a christmas miracle.

    >> it's very real. there he is, there's my boy. who is, who's grown a foot. and he's a big boy . but it is very real. because he's here. and i can hold him now and i can hug him and i can tell him and look him in the eye, how much i love him. it's, the rebirth of our family.

    >> you now have sean for two nights.

    >> two beautiful nights.

    >> what has that been like for snu.

    >> i, you know, there are no words to describe the pain and suffering these last five years and it's equally, there's no words to describe how joyous and wonderful it is to be with my son again.

    >> you must have thought about this a million times, the fact that you get your son back on christmas eve . just the symbolism.

    >> it's a miracle. i mean, even if, if somebody was borderline, is there somebody up there? there was 364 other days that he could have been, if he ever were going to come home. but it was christmas eve . somebody's up there for sure.

    >> christmas eve was your first night alone together here in orlando. what did you guys do?

    >> we -- went into the room, obviously. i ran a bath for him. so he jumped in the bath and you know, cleaned himself up and i picked out his pajamas or whatever he was going to wear that night. gave him his privacy. let him do his thing, little man. and we ordered room service . what do you think he ordered?

    >> hamburger?

    >> chicken nuggets . which he loved when he was here before.

    >> david goldman has waited five years to laugh and play with his son again.

    >> hey, pal.

    >> now, after a five-year struggle, father and son are making up for lost time .

    >> has he called you "dad" yet?

    >> no. no, he hasn't this time yet. he hasn't really, he hasn't called me anything. and i think he's struggling with that. and i said, you can call me dad. and he didn't say anything.

    >> he hasn't called you dad. have you called him son?

    >> oh, yeah. i've called him son, i'm called him buddy. i've called him sean . oh, yeah.

    >> sean hasn't seen his bedroom in new jersey since he was four years old. his father hasn't changed a thing.

    >> he asked me on the plane, he goes, my room is the way it was? and i said, yeah. and he goes like this. like, come on, i'm, you know, i was a little kid then. i said, well, i didn't know when we were going to see each other then. what if you came back when you were five or you come back when you're 15. either way it would have to be changed. so we'll go and we'll change it together. but really the reason is, to just give him a flashback of memory. if there's anything in there that can help, to remember the happiness, the fun, great. that he had a life here, that he enjoyed it here. that he was safe here. and this was his home. and it is still his home.

    >> you know, you always said it won't be until the wheels are up on the plane. was that the moment when you finally realized, yes, i do have my son back?

    >> the moment, honestly, at the point when we met at the embassy, i really -- i really knew it then. i knew it. when they did their last parade down the street i knew then it was just get him away and let's go.

    >> did it break your heart to see that?

    >> yes. my heart has been breaking and has been broken over and over and over. through this whole terrible ordeal. and i just couldn't, i'll never understand them.

    >> despite all that's happened, david goldman wants sean 's grandmother in brazil to be part of his son's life. he spoke to silvania bianchi just moments after the chaotic scene in reason yio.

    >> and she said, will you allow me to see him? and i said, i with ill not do to you what you have done it me. and i said, but now, you need to tell him that you remember how good of a father that i was, how good of a father that i am. and how you know i will continue to be a good father.

    >> why was that important for you to have her say that to him?

    >> he needed to see that and i also gave her a hug. he needed to see that. there was no resistance, no fighting, never once crying. which makes me concerned. because it would be natural for him to be crying. it would be normal for him to be crying. there's got to be pain hidden in there. i know i have it. my mission, my focus is to be with him and to help him. and to reestablish our father-and-son bond.

    >> can you heal from all of this?

    >> i hope. i mean there's definitely scars that will probably be lifelong. but we all have scars. i missed five years, precious years of my son's life. that's a big scar. but now we're together. and we'll heal and we'll enjoy and live and love and share and cry and laugh and learn as father and son .

    >> your biggest worry about sean right now is what?

    >> adjustment. you know time will tell on how he deals and how he behaves on how much help and healing we'll need.

    >> there's a great picture of you and your son, sean , in the canoe. how much are you looking forward to having that, that kind of experience with him again?

    >> if there's one moment that is reaches beyond the others that i have of hopes and aspirations, is for us to just go for a paddle in our back yard. i love that day. i'll probably start crying so he'll definitely be in the front and not looking at me paddling away. he loved it so much and that was just us in nature, right at home. and it was, it was so beautiful.

    >> there's also a great moment in one of the videos -- this little guy looking at you, calling you "dada." what is that going to mean the first time he does call you dad?

    >> it would mean the world. it would mean we've come a long way.

    >> are you seeing sparks of the old sean ?

    >> oh yeah, for sure. yeah. i mean the old sean was four and a half, so you know, the goofiness now would be to a 9-year-old's goofy as it would be to a 4 1/2. again, he was such a happy, sweet boy. and i hope he still has some innocence left. and i believe he does.

    >> welcome home , dad.

    >> welcome home , son.

    >> and david told me as soon as they landed in the u.s., he had sean text his grandmother back in brazil that he was okay and sean called her again on christmas day. we're joined

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