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Kim Flanigan (right) said the last straw was when she heard her mother trying to solicit funds at church from a widow with nine kids.
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updated 4/2/2010 10:28:12 AM ET 2010-04-02T14:28:12

Would you have the courage to turn your own mother in to authorities in order to stop a Ponzi scheme?

That wasn’t a rhetorical question for Kim Flanigan, who faced just such a dilemma when it became apparent that her widowed mother was involved as both a participant and a recruiter for a classic get-rich-quick scheme that had already ensnared 100 or more people.

When Flanigan heard her mother trying to convince a widow with nine children to invest her life savings in the scheme, she knew she had no choice.

“That was my breaking point,” Flanigan told TODAY’s Ann Curry Friday in New York. Rather than watch a widow lose money she desperately needed, Flanigan called state and federal officials. Her courageous act would bring down a $50 million Ponzi scheme and put its three ringleaders in federal prison. For a time, Flanigan’s mother as well as an aunt were also under investigation, but authorities eventually decided they were more victims than victimizers and filed no charges.

One reason the scam worked so well is because it preyed on churchgoing people. The widow Flanigan’s mom was trying to recruit was a member of her church. One of the three ringleaders of the investment scheme was an associate pastor of a church in California.

Many of the participants wanted to use some of the 50 to 300 percent profits they were promised to donate to charitable projects.

“You have just normal people who want to do good — and make money at the same time,” Flanigan told NBC News, which will tell the full story on Dateline at 9 (8 CT) tonight.

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David and Kim Flanigan appeared on TODAY, discussing the tough decision Kim made to turn her mother in for her Ponzi scheme involvement.
Kim and her husband, David, who joined her on TODAY, were also sucked in at first by her mother’s enthusiasm, offering $10,000 to the investment pool.

Preying on friends, family
Such frauds are called “affinity schemes” because they prey on people with natural affinities. In that, the scam was similar to that pulled off by Bernie Madoff, who used his shared Jewish heritage to sucker the bulk of his victims.

The participants were pulled along by nightly conference calls that could last an hour or more and involved 100 people. During the calls, Henry Uliomereyon Jones, described as the mastermind of the scam, would keep everyone updated on the latest developments.

Kim Flanigan’s aunt — her mother’s sister — was the first to get ensnared. She had attended a “Millionaire Mind” seminar put on by Peak Potentials Training in her home state of Washington. The Flanigans, who now own a furniture store in Casper, Wyo., were living in Kalispell, Mont., at the time and Kim’s mother was living with them. Peak Potentials was not involved in the scam, but the aunt met people who were during networking sessions that were part of the seminar.

Two investments were involved, both phony. One was an outfit called Tri Energy, Inc., which claimed to own four coal mines in Kentucky. The company needed investments to put the mines on line, when huge profits would start pouring in. In reality, there were only two mines, and neither was profitable. This accounted for $32 million of the scheme.

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The other deal, and this one really was too good to be true, involved 20,000 metric tons of gold bullion. That’s twice as much gold as the entire U.S. reserves. The bullion had to be moved, and there were huge profits to be made for helping to finance that move.

‘It became an obsession’
Kim and David realized early on that it was all a scam, but they couldn’t convince her mother or aunt of that. To build a case, Kim started taping the nightly conference calls.

“It became an obsession for months and months. I just laid on my bed with a speakerphone on and a little tape recorder in my hand and recorded phone calls,” she said, likening the sessions to a soap opera.

“It seems like there was always something that was happening, progress that was being made,” Kim continued. “Then setbacks would happen, where more money was needed to be able to complete it. It was a daily powwow to keep people enrolled involved, to make it feel like it was being moved forward, that there was progress that was being made.”

David Flanigan said that once people had invested their belief and their money in the scam, it was hard for them to back away and admit they’d been taken.

“They had a lot invested. No one wants to feel that they were made a fool of, that they were taken advantage of,” David said. “The people that were running it, Henry Jones and others, were very convincing. They were very good. When you asked questions, they would just make it more complicated, and you’d feel like, ‘I don’t want to be the only one that doesn’t understand this. Henry seems to know what he’s talking about.’ ”

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Henry Uliomereyon Jones, described as the mastermind of the Ponzi scheme, was sent to prison thanks to Kim Flanigan.

But the lack of clear answers convinced Kim and David that they had gotten involved in a scam. Kim called her brother, an accountant in Washington state, who agreed that the investors were being defrauded. When Kim's mother refused to believe them and kept trying to drag in other friends and family members, the brother contacted authorities in Washington while Kim called securities regulators in Montana. Evenually, the SEC and FBI would also become involved.

Tough call
It wasn’t easy turning her own mother and aunt in to authorities, Kim said.

“It was difficult,” she told Curry. But it was also necessary. “We knew that she wasn’t going to listen to us, that the pull of this group and their mentality was so strong that she would listen to them before she would listen to concerned family members, when we knew she wasn’t going to pull away from it, that the next step had to happen and where I knew something had to be done.”

The Flanigans had gotten involved in 2003. In the fall of 2004 the Montana commissioner of securities, acting on Kim’s information, ordered her mother to stop recruiting more investors. In early 2005, Washington state officials and the SEC ordered participants in those states to cease and desist. In May, the SEC initiated legal proceedings against the scammers in California.

The case continued until 2007, when Kim’s recordings and testimony helped send the three ringleaders to prison for terms ranging from nine to 20 years.

Along with Henry, they are Arthur Simburg, a former Puma shoe marketer, and Robert Jennings, associate pastor of New Life Fellowship Church in Perris, Calif.

One investor committed suicide on learning that he’d lost his life savings in the scam.

Kim and her mother were estranged for about a year, but have begun the healing process as her mother comes to grips with how she was defrauded. Meanwhile, they’ve decided to go public with their story because there are many similar scams going on, particularly in these hard economic times. They want others to know that if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

“This type of scheme — Tri Energy — wasn’t the only one that exists out there,” Kim said. “It’s very prevalent in our society right now. This is not the only scam.”

For more on this story watch Dateline Friday, April 2, at 9 p.m. ET.


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    >>> back now at 8:09. it's always a good idea to be skeptical when it comes to investing. so what happens when your own mother comes to you with a full-proof money-making idea? "dateline's" chris hansen is here with one family's dramatic story. chris, good morning.

    >> reporter: good morning. it is called an affinity fraud , getting like-minded people together, family and friends , to spread a con. in the case of one company, trienergy, helped authorities expose a fraud but it nearly tore her family apart. you won't believe what investigators say happens to much of the money. to kim flanagan, the mining company called tri energy seemed like a blessing. her own mother had put money in an the investors planned to use their profits for charity.

    >> you have just normal people that want to do good in the world.

    >> and make money at the same time.

    >> and make money at the same time.

    >> reporter: kim and her husband invested $10,000, but pretty soon they had a sinking feeling they'd been scammed. henry jones , a company leader, kept saying the huge payouts were just around the corner.

    >> it was a financial soap opera .

    >> that's when you thought, uh-oh, we got taken.

    >> um-hmm. you just remember thinking that it was naive and stupid.

    >> reporter: and yet kim 's mother was still pitching the investment to friends at church. did you express your concerns to your mother ?

    >> yes. she was still a believer. i had to do something to help stop it.

    >> reporter: kim complained to state regulators who said they needed more information, so she went on a mission to get it and began secretly recording company conference calls . what did you think when your wife decided to mount her own investigation?

    >> i know i couldn't stop her.

    >> reporter: but there was a complication. kim 's mom could get in trouble for promoting the investment even if she didn't know it was a scam. they could come after your mother at some point.

    >> yes, absolutely. it was devastating to our family.

    >> reporter: kim turned her tapes over to the securities and exchange commission where a federal investigation had in fact been under way. the government says tri energy was a $32 million ponzi scheme that used family and friends to spread the fraud.

    >> if someone's telling you they can get you huge returns that you can't get anywhere else, it's not true.

    >> reporter: jones was convicted of fraud and is serving 20 years while he appeals. as for kim 's mother , in the end, the government saw her more as a victim than as a perpetrator. but where was the money? check out what investigators say henry jones did with millions of dollars from unsuspecting investors. *

    >> reporter: cash that was meant for charity spent on this?

    >> clearly a long way from humanitarian projects.

    >> in all, investigators say more than $21 million went into producing movies and music videos , much of it apparently a big vanity project for one of the perpetrators, henry jones .

    >> chris hansen , thank you so much. kim flanagan and her husband david are the couple that helped bust this ponzi scheme wide open . good morning to both of you. watching this, your eyes teared up. what's the worst of this?

    >> it's hard to control the emotion a little bit. i think there was just so much damage that was done. and i know that it's not just to my family. there were so many other people involved. and this type of scheme, tri energy wasn't the only one that exists out there. so i think it's hard to know the kind of damage that it -- you know, that has happened, and that is very prevalent. in our society right now. this is not the only scam.

    >> so the anger, i'm sure, is part of this. hurt is part of this. so let's think about how we can channel that into helping people who may be vulnerable, as you just said, to this. you talked about these late night phone calls . give us a sense about what those were like. why were they held late at night ? what kinds of things were said in these phone calls ?

    >> i think late at night , just logistically is when people were available. it was nightly to keep the momentum going. it seemed like there was always something that was happening, progress that was being made, then setbacks that would happen, where more money was needed to be able to complete it. and i think that it was a daily pow-wow to keep people involved, to make it feel like things were being moved forward, that there was progress that was being made.

    >> you knew at some point as we just saw in the tape that this didn't sound real. by the way, this is before everyone heard about the madoff story, the madoff ponzi scheme . so you didn't have a lot of knowledge about ponzi schemes , but you felt that something was wrong. why do you think that so many members of your family -- because it is not just your mother . it was your aunt and others in the family. why do you think so many people did not want to hear it when you said, look, this doesn't sound right?

    >> well, they had a lot invested, and no one wants to feel like they were made a fool of, that they were taken advantage of. and the people that were running it, henry jones and others, were very convincing. they were very good. when you asked questions they'd just make it more complicated and you'd feel like, well, i don't want to be the only one that doesn't understand this. henry seems to know what he's talking about.

    >> so you're not an expert in accounting or ponzi schemes . your brother is an accountant. right?

    >> my brother is my accountant.

    >> you called him up. what did he tell you to do?

    >> we knew that my mother was involved. we were suspicious and he said, you know, talk to the montana state authorities. i'm going to talk to the washington state authorities and let's see what we can find out.

    >> and he also suggested you might want to tape record some things.

    >> yes. we didn't know what to do. i thought it couldn't hurt just to record some of these conversations. and it became an obsession for months and months. i recorded -- i just laid on my bed with the speaker phone on and a little tape recorder in my hand and recorded phone calls .

    >> when you talked to your mother and you toll her what you were doing, and that you were going to try to stop -- i know there was a terrible moment when she was talking to a widow who had nine kids at church to tell her to join the ponzi scheme and you said, that's it. i've got to do something.

    >> that was my breaking point.

    >> but when you talked to your mother and told her what you were doing, when she was so a believer in all of this, that must have been so difficult.

    >> it was difficult. and you know, first when we knew that she wasn't going to listen to us, that the pull of this group and their mentality was so strong that she would listen to them before she would listen to concerned family members, when we knew that she wasn't going to pull away from it, that's when the next step had to happen. and where i knew something had to be done.

    >> kim , it takes a lot of courage to do what's right anyway, but you obviously are an example of how deep the courage can be, so we obviously applaud you because you've helped so many people. we're going to find out more about what you've done and you, dave , have done tonight on our broad ca broadcast tonight on "dateline."

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